2011.03.10

A dialogue with a Jewish man regarding Yahooshua

by

James Robertson

In November I sent out a message titled [ETI Main 10.11.01] -- Father forgive them, they do not know what they are doing.

I sent this to a fairly large number of people in my Outlook inbox and in response obtained a response from a man I perceive to be Jewish challenging and questioning what I had said.

He has just sent me a more detailed list of questions and I thought that my answers might be of value to those on this list.

This dialogue touches on a massively challenging subject – given all the damage that has been done by Christianity to the Jews, Muslims and many others, how does one present the truth in a manner that they can receive.

I am currently completing the finishing touches to a video that evidences the flood from widely available information and which closes with a message that I hope is some way down the road to reaching Jews and Muslims but there is still a considerable way to go.

It is vital to understand that until a message that is reasonably free of error AND palatable to Jews and Muslims is preached in all the world there is no possibility that Yahooshua is going to return.

The thread is presented below:

From: End Time Issue Lists
Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 5:34 PM
To:
Subject: [ETI Main 10.11.01] -- Father forgive them, they do not know what they are doing

Hi ,

How are you?

I have just completed reading the book, Forgiveness -- God's Master Key (Pray the most powerful prayer on earth) by Peter Horrobin of Ellel Ministries, published by Sovereign World, ISBN 978 1 85240 520 1

>>> The rest of the article was posted to the list so I will not repeat it here reply follows<<<

From:
Sent: 20 November 2010 08:21 PM
To: 'End Time Issue Lists'
Subject: RE: [ETI Main 10.11.01] -- Father forgive them, they do not know what they are doing

If any way any one forgive then no reason to ask forgiveness and no reason to prevent myself from doing sins

From: James R @ ETIMin
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 9:45 PM
To:
Subject: RE: [ETI Main 10.11.01] -- Father forgive them, they do not know what they are doing

I do not follow your argument?

From:
Sent: 23 November 2010 12:30 AM
To: james@
Subject: RE: [ETI Main 10.11.01] -- Father forgive them, they do not know what they are doing

This is the main problem. From Jesus people are learning that any way any one will be forgived, So for what sake to make efforts to avoid sins?!

Your answer. James, Is neglecting the logic results.

From: James R @ ETIMin mailto:james@
Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2010 11:10 PM
To:
Subject: RE: [ETI Main 10.11.01] -- Father forgive them, they do not know what they are doing

Not so

There are two distinct pieces here

We can forgive and ask Father to forgive sins against us because we are not perfect

They will still be judged for their sins against the Almighty

From:
Sent: 04 March 2011 03:16 PM
To: james@
Subject: RE: [ETI Main 10.11.01] -- Father forgive them, they do not know what they are doing

So for what sake you Need Jesus? Talk directly to G-D. Us Jesus also a G-D? If yes then it is idolatry, If not no use to ask him any thing!

Dov

From: James R @ ETIMin
Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2011 10:20 AM
To:
Subject: RE: [ETI Main 10.11.01] -- Father forgive them, they do not know what they are doing

Hi Dov

Agreed -- we should ONLY be praying to Yah the eternally self-existing, the creator of the Heavens and the Earth, the Mighty one of Abraham and Isaac and Yaakov, the Almighty

Yahooshua {Jesus} is a man like you and I, a created being, it IS breaking the first commandment which says that we shall have no Mighty Ones before Yah if we worship Yahooshua

And Yahooshua did die and open an alternative authority for prayer to the Almighty in anticipation of the complete destruction of Jerusalem, the Temple and the Priesthood so we still have a way to observe the ordinances given by Moshe {Moses}

From:
Sent: 06 March 2011 08:13 PM
To: james@
Subject: RE: [ETI Main 10.11.01] -- Father forgive them, they do not know what they are doing

1. I wonder did you read the first commandment and the second one?! There is no such say as you wrote Mighty Ones before Yah if we worship Yahooshua
2. How you know that Jesus opened a new authority?
3. Why a New authority does not means a second G-D?  and why that does not means idolatry?
4. For what sake there is a need for a new path if all the prophets in the Bible said there are other paths?! Charity, Repentance etc.
5. How it is possible if it is contradict  Deuteronomy  18 , 11 or a charmer, or one that consulteth a ghost or a familiar spirit, or a necromancer. ???

From: James R @ ETIMin mailto:james@
Sent: 13 March 2011 03:00 PM
To:
Subject: RE: [ETI Main 10.11.01] -- Father forgive them, they do not know what they are doing

Hi Dov

I will try and answer you in a few separate emails.

Regarding your first point, I see that my sentence is rather badly written, please accept my apologies

I intended to say that those who worship Yahooshua or say that he is God are breaking the first commandment

From: James R @ ETIMin mailto:james@
Sent: 13 March 2011 03:16 PM
To:
Subject: RE: [ETI Main 10.11.01] -- Father forgive them, they do not know what they are doing

Hi Dov

Responding to your third point “Why a New authority does not means a second G-D?  and why that does not means idolatry?”

My use of the word “authority” is perhaps confusing, please accept my apologies, let me rather refer to a dispensation or ordinance or ritual.

When Moshe {Moses} introduced all that was introduced by him at Horeb / Sinai that was not a second god and was not idolatry.

The Almighty through Moshe prescribed the offering / sacrifice of the Pesach / Passover lamb and that the door-posts and Lintels in Egypt should be painted with the blood – that blood had no significance other than as a sign of obedience but it saved the lives of all the first born of the Hebrews.

A new dispensation was ushered in that was different to that which applied before the Exodus and before Horeb and Sinai.

When Yahoochanan {John the Baptist} immersed Yahooshua and proclaimed that he was the “lamb of Yah” that was a prophetic act no different from Moshe telling the Hebrews to paint the blood on the doorposts and the lintels and telling the Hebrews to observe that as an ordinance for all time.

When Yahooshua at the Pesach Seder took the bread and when he had broken it prophetically assigned the body of the Pesach lamb (already prophetically assigned to him) to the bread he was simply taking the process a step further and when he prophetically took the wine and assigned the blood of the Pesach lamb (already prophetically assigned to him) to the wine he was completing that process

This provided a spiritual mechanism whereby any believer anywhere, in the absence of a Priest, absence of a Temple and absence of an animal could STILL offer the Pesach lamb, apply the blood, etc – in fact through various other prophetic acts such as the High Priest laying his hands on Yahooshua, the people laying their hands on Yahooshua, the people and priests declaring that Yahooshua’s blood would be upon them a series of prophetic assignments took place that permitted Yahooshua also to become the offering for the Day of Atonement including the goat taken outside the gate and sent to Azzazel, etc

And, through the piercing of Yahooshua’s side with the spear and water and blood from his ruptured heart running down the stake {NOT cross} and down the earthquake crack onto the mercy seat on the Ark of the Covenant which had been hidden by YeremiYahu {Jeremiah} at the time that Babylon destroyed Jerusalem it was possible to usher in a new Priesthood and a new sacrifice for atonement being Yahooshua himself offered as sacrifice.

All of this made it possible for you and for me to keep many of the ordinances given by Moshe through the priesthood of Yahooshua all of which was accomplished by prophetic assignment in the same way that all that Moshe prescribed was achieved by prophetic assignment and ordinance given by the Creator.

I hope that this better answers your question?

From: James R @ ETIMin mailto:james@
Sent: 13 March 2011 03:25 PM
To:
Subject: RE: [ETI Main 10.11.01] -- Father forgive them, they do not know what they are doing

Hi Dov

In considering what I am saying please be aware that I am NOT a Christian!

Christianity, which includes the worship of a man called Jesus Christ is a pagan religion that is full of error.

There never was a man called Jesus Christ, there WAS a man called Yahooshua the anointed of Yah who was a Hebrew, who was Torah observant, who observed the truth Sabbath (Saturday), who went up to the Temple for the Feasts laid down by Moshe, who was circumcised on the eight day, etc

The man Yahooshua was 100% HUMAN, he was born as a consequence of a creative miracle that was small compared to the miracles by which Adam and Chavah were created.

He WAS filled with the Spirit of Yah, just as were Moshe, Noah, David and numerous other prophets before and after him.

He DID perform many miracles

And He DID live a life without sin – which is the most significant thing about him

And he died without sin and, as a legal consequence of living a life without sin he was resurrected to become the first born from the dead and king of all human kings and lord of all human lords.

And he is seated at the right hand of the Father BECAUSE he is the first to be resurrected

NONE of this makes him equal to the Almighty Creator and it is great and grievous sin and greatly angers the Almighty when people worship Yahooshua or in any way give the honour and glory that is due to Yah to Yahooshua.

Returning to your questions:

Regarding “For what sake there is a need for a new path if all the prophets in the Bible said there are other paths?! Charity, Repentance etc.”

I am not aware of any writing in the Torah or the Nacht that says that the ordinances given by Moshe were set aside?

Yahooshua came and died so that new ordinances compliant with what Moshe had given could be instituted.

From: James R @ ETIMin mailto:james@
Sent: 13 March 2011 03:32 PM
To:
Subject: RE: [ETI Main 10.11.01] -- Father forgive them, they do not know what they are doing

Hi Dov

Regarding “How it is possible if it is contradict  Deuteronomy  18 , 11 or a charmer, or one that consulteth a ghost or a familiar spirit, or a necromancer. ???”

I am unclear what this passage has to do with Yahooshua the anointed of Yah?

He was a human being

He died as a human being

Because he was without sin he was resurrected to live in heaven alongside the Almighty

So, he is still a human being

I DO accept that some things that some parts of the Christian church teach and practice that COULD fall into the terms of Deuteronomy 18:11 but that is NOT what we are discussing here, this discussion relates purely to the basic facts relating to the Hebrew man Yahooshua the anointed of Yah of Natzaret who lived approximately 2,000 years ago

As I have mentioned, Christianity is a seriously pagan religion.

From: James R @ ETIMin mailto:james@
Sent: 13 March 2011 03:42 PM
To:
Subject: RE: [ETI Main 10.11.01] -- Father forgive them, they do not know what they are doing

Hi Dov

Returning to your second point “How you know that Jesus opened a new authority?”

As mentioned before, authority is probably not the best word, please accept my apologies

Also, as I have stated, Jesus is a pagan name, it is derived from Iesus which in turn derives from Zeus which is a pagan god

I am referring to a Hebrew man called Yahooshua, who lived in the land of Israel about 2,000 years ago and who was born to a woman named Mirriam

How do I know that that man instituted a new set of ordinances?

I started out with these beliefs based on the Protestant bible when I was about 13 years old (I am now 57)

I became disenchanted with the Christian church and walked away totally in my mid-twenties.

In 1993 in serious sin and on the point of taking my life the Almighty spoke to me with an audible voice and told me to contact a business associate of mine.

That associate introduced me to a living relationship with the Almighty

I then chose to believe the Protestant bible was the word of God and without error and believed that way for about eight years

During that period I asked the Almighty numerous questions and He answered me in numerous ways including speaking to me directly on numerous occasions.

Eventually He told me that the bible was NOT his word and was NOT without error and He also told me that Yahooshua was NOT the Almighty in the flesh and was only a human being

During this process He also taught me about the ordinances given through Moshe and showed me how Yahooshua fulfilled these ordinances through the way he lived and died and how Yahooshua’s death was instrumental in introducing a new priesthood and other new ordinances.

So, the bottom line of my answer to your question? – the Almighty told me

Conclusion

You might like to ask yourself how you would respond to a Jew or a Muslim who challenges you based on the widely held misunderstandings regarding Jesus Christ.

May Yah bless you and keep you and make His face to shine upon you and give you peace.