12. JOYNER'S EXPERIENCE OF THE JUDGMENT
Starting on page 84, Joyner reports a series of visions in which he is taken into
the Hall of Judgment in Heaven and experiences judgment of himself.
This experience includes meetings with people who have already died and been
judged. In his conversations with these people he learns much about the
Judgment and how life on earth is viewed very differently by the Almighty
relative to how men view it.
Insofar as the Day of Judgment is still to come, it is my understanding that these
visions were all visions and that Joyner did not actually meet with the people
concerned. It is my understanding that, at this time, only Yahooshua has been
resurrected and all other souls are in places of waiting pending the Day of
Judgment when all the dead will be resurrected.
I understand this to relate to Luke 23:43 "And Yahooshua {Jesus} said unto him,
Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise." (KJV) This
indicates that the criminal who came to repentance on the stake, would meet
Yahooshua in paradise. However, Yahooshua thereafter went to preach to the
spirits in prison, refer 1 Peter 3:19 cited above and was then resurrected. It is
my understanding that the criminal who repented is still in Paradise today,
together with all others who qualify for that position, and they are awaiting the
Day of Judgment.
Notwithstanding that the Judgment has yet to occur, i am certain that Joyner DID
experience the visions he describes and that most, but not all, of what is
reported in "The Final Quest" IS from the Almighty and is for our edification,
instruction and guidance.
Joyner describes the Judgment experience commencing at the outer reaches of
the outer darkness until he eventually reaches the throne and subsequently is
permitted to have conversations with certain people who are sitting on thrones.
I understand this data to be enormously important for anyone who aspires to
spend eternity in heaven.
THE OUTER DARKNESS
In the vision, Joyner enters into the Judgment Hall through a door. As the door
closes behind him, he finds himself in "the most frightening darkness I had ever
experienced" 84 (5). He describes a "terrible battle with fear" and even states
that he began to think that he had "stepped into hell itself".
I understand this to be "the outer darkness" referred to in various passages
above.
It seems, that there is a place in HEAVEN which is frightening!
It seems from the references in Matthew 8:12; 22:13 and 25:30 that believers
can be placed there.
In this location Joyner does not report meeting anyone or having any
conversations. This does not mean there were not people there, simply that it
was so dark that he may not have met anyone who might have been there and
might not have been able to receive what they might have had to say. This is
my speculation.
After entering into the outer darkness, Joyner reports that he cried out for
forgiveness and for help and then started to see Yahooshua on the stake as a
light in the distance and started to move toward it. As he did so he began to
experience peace.
As he moved forward he describes no longer feeling "cold", then starting to see
a "dim light" which gradually became a "glorious light" which then "became so
wonderful that i felt that i was entering into heaven itself".
In 85 (3) Joyner describes how he soon reached a point where "the beauty of it
could not even be imagined by any reference to human architecture" he reports
that he was "overwhelmed with joy and beauty".
Heaven truly IS exceedingly beautiful and there IS joy to be experienced there.
Also in 85 (3) Joyner reports that he then understood that every time that he had
"experienced great pain or darkness of soul, it had been followed by a much
greater revelation of glory and peace".
It is perhaps helpful for some who have had experiences of pain or darkness of
soul to see that such experiences may well also have had similar benefits.
In 85 (4) and 86 (1) Joyner reports a "holy fear" as he moved towards the
judgment seat but that he also experienced the judgment seat as a "source of
more security than i ever experienced".
THE FOOLISH VIRGINS
In 86 (3) Joyner describes noticing enormous numbers of people standing in
ranks. He describes them as "dazzling, more regal than anyone I had ever seen.
Their countenance was captivating. Never had such peace and confidence graced
a human face. Each one was beautiful beyond any earthly comparison."
Joyner enters into conversation with one of these people who informs him that
they are "the great cloud of witnesses" and that they "know all of you, and we
see all that you do."
This information, in its own right, is sobering. This great cloud of witnesses are,
in some way, able to observe all that we are doing. In addition to the Almighty
they are seeing what we do or do not do. They see what we do in private, they
see our arguments, etc.
On page 87 Joyner recognizes someone that he had known on earth and they
enter into conversation. In 87 (3) this man states that "Heaven is much greater
than we could have dreamed while on earth" and states that the room where
Joyner finds himself is "but the threshold of realms of glory that are far beyond
the ability we had to comprehend".
Heaven IS clearly a desirable place to spend eternity.
This same man goes on to say "the second death is much more terrible than we
understood". A sobering warning.
He says further "If I had known on earth what I know here I would not
have lived the way that I did".
In 88 (2) the same man makes the point that there is "a marked difference
between honouring one another in love, and worshipping them." He further
states that if this was understood on earth we would treat "others very
differently".
In 88 (4) this man advises Joyner that "we are the least of those here".
When Joyner questions this, the man continues in 89 (1) "There is an
aristocracy of sorts here. The rewards for our earthly lives are the
eternal positions that we will have forever. This great multitude are
those whom Yahooshua {the Lord} called 'foolish virgins.'" He goes on
to explain that the people in this group knew Yah the eternally self existing and
trusted in the stake of Yahooshua for salvation, "but we did not really live for
Him, but for ourselves. We did not keep our vessels filled with the oil of the Holy
Spirit. We have eternal life, but we wasted our lives on earth."
In 89 (3) Joyner protests in response that the "foolish virgins gnashed their teeth
in the outer darkness" and in 89 (4) the man he is speaking to confirms that this
was the case. He further states "The grief that we experienced when we
understood how we had so wasted our lives was beyond any grief possible on
earth."
The speaker further confirms that Joyner is standing "among the lowest rank in
heaven" and states that "there is no greater folly than to know the great
salvation of Yah {God} but to then go on living for yourself. To come here and
learn the reality of that is a grief beyond what an earthly soul can experience."
In 89 (5) Joyner questions how this can be since he is experiencing these people
as "more glorious and full of more joy and peace" that he imagined possible.
In 89 (6) the other man states that the love of the Almighty is also far
greater than is understood on earth.
In 90 (3) the speaker describes further details of the continuum of "rank" in
Heaven -- "The next level of rank here is many times greater than what we have.
Each level after is that much greater than the previous one. It is not just that
each level has an even more glorious spiritual body, but that each level is closer
to the throne from where all the glory comes."
This is a confirmation of 1 Corinthians 15:37-44:
"37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but
bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:
38 But Yah {God} giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed
his own body.
39 All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men,
another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.
40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the
celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another
glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is
raised in incorruption:
43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness;
it is raised in power:
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a
natural body, and there is a spiritual body." (KJV, adjusted)
In 91 (1) the person speaking to Joyner, quoted above, states that he is in
Heaven "by grace alone".
Every time i read these above passages, i find myself IMMENSELY challenged in
terms of how i am spending my life and find new energy to pray for my life to
make an impact and to be led by the Almighty in everything.
In 91 (6) Joyner describes the grief that he experienced in looking back at his
life. It seems to me that this is a challenge that everyone of us faces. IF we
have eyes to see and ears to hear!
On 92 Joyner meets a man whom he had "esteemed as a great man of God" on
earth, also in the place of the foolish virgins, and enters into a discussion. In
this discussion various points are raised about discipling people on earth which
are outside the scope of this document.
In 94 (1) this man states "Had I not been so self-centered and concerned with
my own reputation I would be a king here. All that you [Joyner] have and will
accomplish would have been in my heavenly account as well. Instead, much of
what I gave my attention to was of very little true eternal significance."
This raises some really challenging points in support of statements made earlier
in this document.
It also introduces a concept which, while touched on in the traditional writings,
was not previously clear to me. It is a concept that occurs in a number of other
passages in "The Final Quest". This concept is as follows:
- All that we do on earth results in debits and credits in our heavenly bank
account, this is a reasonably well understood principle.
- All that OTHERS do in response to our influence on them is ALSO
accumulated in our account.
So, if we influence others for good, through our teachings, example, whatever,
not only do they obtain credit, we ALSO obtain credit. Thus we can continue
to earn credit for centuries or even millennia after we die!
Conversely, if we influence others for evil the same applies.
It is my understanding that this is why we will ALL be Judged at the same time.
Thus, there is NOT only an opportunity to accrue credit after our deaths, there
is ALSO an opportunity to accrue debits.
So, while we may live a life that is reasonably pleasing to the Father in this life,
we can plant seeds that can result in destruction after our deaths which, it seems
to me, can eventually cancel out the credits and overwhelm them with debits!
Conversely, we could live a reasonably ordinary life on earth and plant a few
seeds that bear great fruit for later generations.
The accounting system for storing up treasure in Heaven is COMPLEX and
it seems to me that the only way we can have any hope of a nett positive
account balance on the Day of Judgment is to turn totally to the Almighty
for mercy, grace and His guidance and judgment in our lives.
It looks to me that anything else is a form of gambling with one's life for
eternity.
In 94 (2) Joyner states to the man that he is talking to that in his (Joyner's)
opinion, what this man, who is amongst the foolish virgins, had accomplished
during his life was "astounding".
In 94 (3) the man replies "What looks good on earth looks very different here.
What will make you a king on earth will often be a stumbling block to
keep you from being a king here. What will make you a king here is lowly
and unesteemed on earth."
This supports the verses quoted earlier in this document. What is important to
the Almighty is VERY different to what most of us have believed.
In 94 (5) he goes on to state that because we discern peoples problems correctly
that is "never reason to reject someone". He refers to Yahooshua's life and death
to support this.
In 95 (1) he states that he became like "one of the goats in the parable" because
he rejected the Almighty by rejecting those whom the Almighty sent to him.
In 95 (2) Joyner observes that the "whole battle" is for the people and yet
people are often regarded as "the least important". I find this a very sobering
statement, one that i so easily loose sight of.
A "FAMOUS REFORMER" AMONGST THE FOOLISH VIRGINS
In 95 (4) another man joins the conversation. Joyner describes this man as one
who Joyner had considered as "one of the greatest Christian leaders of all time".
This man goes on to say "Paul the apostle said near the end of his life that he
was the least of the saints. Then, just before his death, he even called himself
'the greatest of sinners.' Had he not learned that in his life on earth, he, too,
would have been in jeopardy of becoming one of the least of the saints in
heaven. Because he learned it on earth he is now one of those closest to
Yahooshua {the Lord} and will be one of the highest in rank for all
eternity."
Such a vital lesson.
In 96 (1) Joyner states that "Seeing this man in the company of 'the foolish
virgins' was the greatest surprise" he had yet had.
This man explains that he became proud and even became "an enemy of the true
gospel" although, at the end, he trusted in the stake for his salvation.
In 97 (4) Joyner states that he was "stunned" since "history" had given a very
"different picture" of this man.
In 97 (5) the speaker states that the Almighty "does have a different set of
history books than those on the earth." He goes on to say that Joyner does not
yet know "how different" these books are. He continues "Earthly histories will
pass away, but the books that are kept here will last forever. If you can rejoice
in what heaven is recording about your life, you are blessed indeed. Men see
through a glass darkly, so their histories will always be clouded, and sometimes
completely wrong."
In 97 (6) Joyner asks why many other leaders "esteemed" this man and the man
replies that very few people, including believers, "have the true gift of
discernment". In 98 (1) he explains that this "is why we were warned not to
judge before the time".
He goes on to say that there have been "good motives in even the worst of men,
and evil motives in even the best of them." He also says that on earth we
"cannot really know what is in the heart of others".
It is really important that we learn not to judge others.
In 98 (3) Joyner is told that he is having the vision because he prayed for the
Almighty to judge him "severely", to correct him "ruthlessly", so that he [Joyner]
could serve the Almighty more "perfectly".
He also states that "the wise judge themselves" and the "even wiser ask for
the judgments of the Almighty {the Lord} because they realise they
cannot even judge themselves well".
In closing 98 (3) Joyner refers to this man as "the famous Reformer". There are
not many men to whom this designation could apply and it therefore seems
important to prayerfully consider who this might be and what impact the beliefs
one may have about him and his work may have on one's life today.
The more we can come to terms with the reality that we do not have the capacity
to really understand whether another person is acting in a way that is pleasing
to the Almighty or not, the more we may be able to stop judging others and trust
the Almighty to lead us.
The wife of the abovementioned man then speaks to Joyner and, in 99 (2) makes
the following statement. You can reform the church without reforming your
own soul. You can dictate the course of history, and yet not do the Father's will,
or glorify His Son. If you commit yourself to making human history, you may do
it, but it is a fleeting accomplishment that will evaporate like a wisp of
smoke."
In 99 (3) Joyner questions this statement "But your husband's work, or your
work, greatly impacted every generation after him for good. It is hard to imagine
how dark the world would have been without him".
She replies "True. But you can gain the whole world and still lose your own
soul. Only if you keep your own soul pure can you impact the world for the truly
lasting eternal purposes of Yah {God}."
There is considerably more jarring information about this man and his wife
contained in this section of "The Final Quest" that warrants reading.
In 100 (2) Joyner reports that he realised that much of what he was doing he
was doing to "promote" himself rather than the Almighty and His Kingdom. He
also states that he began to see how much he did to "prove myself to others,
especially those who disliked me, who rejected me, or who I felt in competition
with in some way". He refers to seeing that much of his life was "built on the
facades of a projected image that belied who I really was".
The important point here is not Joyner's judgment of himself, but to what extent
his judgment of himself may be almost universally applicable to men on earth
today!
In 101 (3) the "famous Reformer" states "Do not try to teach others to do
what you, yourself, are not doing. Reformation is not just a doctrine." He
goes on to say that "true reformation" only comes from union with the Almighty
and from being "yoked" with the anointing of the Spirit of Yah and carrying "the
burdens that He gives you."
He goes on to say that "You can only do His work when you are doing it
with Him, not just for Him. Only the Spirit can beget that which is Spirit."
The "famous Reformer" further states that "the things that are done in an effort
to make history will at best confine your accomplishments to history, and you will
fail to impact eternity. If you do not live what you preach to others you
disqualify yourself from the high calling ..."
The need to apply what one teaches in one's own life on a daily basis seems to
me to be an ENORMOUS point and an enormous challenge. It is relatively easy
to read a text and obtain revelation, or to obtain revelation in prayer - to APPLY
it ...!
In 102 (1) it is stated that "the high calling is not out of reach for anyone that
the Almighty {the Lord} has called." It is also stated that love for the
Almighty alone and seeking His glory alone is what will keep one "on the
path of life".
It is further stated in 102 (1) that "Everything you do to exalt yourself will one
day bring you the most terrible humiliation." while everything that one does "out
of true love" for the Almighty, "to glorify His name, will extend the limits of His
eternal kingdom and ultimately result in a much higher place for yourself. Live
for what is recorded here. Care nothing for what is recorded on earth."
In 103 (4), in a conversation with the wife of the "famous reformer" it is stated
that "All of the relationships that you have on earth are continued here, and they
are all purified by the judgment, and by the fact that they are now spiritual just
as we are now spirit."
This is a really important point. At one level it seems obvious, at another level
i wonder how many of us really think about this in our relationships with others.
Firstly, what will it be like for a husband and wife if one is on a high throne and
the other is in the outer darkness? Particularly when the dross of this world has
been burned off by the judgment and they then discover that they deeply love
one another.
This seems really critical in the context of the indication that so few people will
currently make it into heaven if judged today. What will it be like for a husband
and wife if one is in heaven and one in the lake of fire for eternity? What about
other relationships? What if a man has committed adultery with another man's
wife, fallen deeply in love with her and come to repentance while she has
continued in her sin? Will he still experience his deep love for her even if she is
burning in the lake of fire and he is in heaven? Or vice versa?
The Almighty has indicated to me that this is indeed so.
What about family members and friends we could have interceded for more
effectively, witnessed to more constructively, ...?
Consider Luke 16:22-26:
"22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels
into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar
off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send
Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for
I am tormented in this flame.
25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy
good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou
art tormented.
26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that
they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us,
that would come from thence." (KJV)
Those in hell can speak to those in heaven or paradise AND ask for help and
those in heaven can reply but CANNOT help!
What is it going to be like to be in the one place and see others one knew, liked,
loved in the other place - whichever way round it works out for you?
What do you choose to do about this?
THE PURE TRUTH SPOKEN IN PURE LOVE
In 104 (3) it is stated that "The pure truth spoken in pure love, will always
attract."
It seems to me that this is a very important principle in how one shares these
truths with others, particularly when one is concerned that another is in sin and
one hopes to bring them to repentance. It seems to me that pure truth spoken
in pure love has an order of magnitude greater probability of being received.
How to get there?
How to deal with one's own hurts, pain, drivenness, fear of rejection, memories
of past arguments or encounters, ...?
A great challenge but part of the challenge of seeking to be transformed to
become like Yahooshua as the pattern, or way or example that we have been
given.
In this age, i have found it really important to come to terms with just how far
i am from being like Yahooshua and therefore just how difficult that makes it for
me to communicate with others in a way they can receive.
In recent years i have done much work in dealing with childhood hurts and
beliefs, using psychological tools and practices, including those taught by the
"Life Training Programme". I have found that the depth of these childhood hurts
and beliefs about myself and others have had a massive impact on my ability to
communicate effectively with others.
I have learned that i have been sending out all sorts of unconscious messages
about myself and about others that have seriously detrimented my ability to
communicate effectively with them. I have come to understand that these hurts
and beliefs in some form or another are present in every human being on earth
today and that they contribute in large measure to the extent to which so many
relationships, including marriages, are dysfunctional.
PAIN IS GOOD
Also in 104 (3) it is stated, also by the wife of the reformer, that "Pain is good;
it shows you where there is a problem. Do not try to reduce the pain until you
find the problem. Yah's {God's} truth often brings pain as it highlights a problem
that we have, but His truth will always show us the way to freedom, too. When
you know this you will even begin to rejoice in your trials, which are all
allowed to keep you on the path of life."
RELATIONSHIPS ARE FOR GIVING
In 105 (5) the wife of the "famous reformer" states that "As your mind is
renewed by the Spirit of Truth, you will not see relationships as an opportunity
to get from others, but to give. Giving provides the greatest fulfillment that
we can ever know. The most wonderful human relationships are but a fleeting
glimpse of the ecstasy that comes when we give ourselves to Yah {the Lord} in
pure worship."
She continues "True love never seeks to be first, or to be in control, but rather
the place of service. If my husband and I had kept this in our marriage, we
would be sitting next to the King now, and this great hall would be filled with
many more souls."
The pages prior to this statement contain some shocking information about how
a dysfunctional marriage in the life of someone with a high calling detrimentally
impacted the lives of every generation thereafter AND detrimentally impacted
their own eternal destiny.
There is a big lesson here for every marriage.
LEARN ON EARTH
In 106 (6) another person states that everything that Joyner was learning in the
vision had been given to him on earth. I understand this to apply to every one
of us. he is told that "Every relationship, every encounter with another person,
could teach you what you are learning here if you will keep that cloak of humility
on, and learn to always keep your attention fixed on His glory."
The speaker turns out to be a man who had had "a great ministry". This man
reports that he became very proud near the end of his life and started to touch
the Almighty's anointed and to do His prophets harm. That he and his followers
looked for faults in other ministries and exposed them.
In 108 (2) this man states that he became "the worst thing that a man can
become on the earth -- a stumbling block who produced other stumbling blocks.
We sowed fear and division throughout the church, all in the name of protecting
the truth. In my self-righteousness I was headed for perdition. In His great
mercy the Almighty {the Lord} allowed me to be struck by a disease that would
bring about a slow and humiliating death. Just before I died I came to my senses
and repented."
There is an opportunity to change sides right up to the last minute. If you are
near the end of your life and experiencing severe illness, it might be really
important to check out what the Almighty may be wanting you to learn before
it is too late.
In 109 (3) this man states "And we always comforted ourselves by actually
thinking that we were doing Yah {God} a favour when we attacked His own
children". He goes on to refer to "the worst judgment of all -- the judgment of
the stumbling blocks" he also states that those who are doing these things are
"doing the work of the Accuser [Satan]".
In 108 (6) and 109 (1) it is indicated that simply allowing people to talk about
the errors of another congregation, or asking people to pray for a congregation
that is considered to be in error and similar actions are all part of the sin of being
a stumbling block. I understand this to relate to judging others and then
encouraging others to judge them as well by speaking about their perceived or
actual sin to others.
The truth is we are not competent to judge and frequently when we do judge we
are judging based on our own pride, error, self righteousness, etc. It is better
to notice, move on and pray in one's heart that the will of the Almighty will be
done in a particular situation. Don't discuss it and certainly do not tell others
about it or issue emails to large numbers of people or publish articles, etc
condemning others, no matter how "politely" or "nicely" or "gently" or "lovingly"
or ... one thinks one is doing it.
Still in the place of the foolish virgins, Joyner meets a "famous writer" who
confesses that, while his writings are widely esteemed in the church, they are
"shallow, and filled more with worldly wisdom than divine truth".
This man goes on to state that he had "failed the King of Kings", that he had
used his gifts to "draw men more to myself and my wisdom" than to the
Almighty, that he "hardly knew" the Holy Spirit, that he did not point men to
Yahooshua and the Almighty but to himself and "others like" him. He states that
his mind was his "idol".
In 113 (3) this same man states that he buried his talents beneath his "own
spiritual pride and ambitions".
He states further that "The more authority you are given, the more potential for
both good and evil you will have. Those who will rule with Him for the ages will
know responsibility of the most profound kind. No man stands alone, and
every human failure, or victory, resonates far beyond our comprehension,
even to generations to come."
In 113 (5) this man states "Had I sought Yah {the Lord} instead of knowledge
about Him, many thousands who I could have led successfully would have
resulted in many more millions being here now." He goes on to say "Never seek
influence for yourself, but only seek the Almighty {the Lord} and be willing to
take His yoke. My influence did not feed your heart, but rather your pride in
knowledge."
In 113 (3) he concludes by saying "Study to show yourself approved unto Yah
{God}, not men."
I constantly see this as an enormous challenge, it is so easy to want to be
approved by other human beings and lose sight of the approval of the Almighty.
This is particularly so as a consequence of the fallen state of the world. That
which is esteemed by the Almighty is generally ridiculed or rejected by mankind
in this age. It requires real commitment to seek to please the Almighty!
SUMMING UP - THE FOOLISH VIRGINS
In 114 (4) Joyner reports "In this first multitude I saw many other men and
women of Yah {God} from both my own time and history. I stopped and talked
to many more. I was continually shocked that so many whom I expected
to be in the highest positions were in the lowest rank of the kingdom.
Many shared the same basic story -- they had all fallen to the deadly sin of pride
after their great victories, or fallen to jealousy when other men were anointed as
much as they were. Others had fallen to lust, discouragement or bitterness near
the end of their lives and had to be taken before they crossed the line into
perdition. They all gave me the same warning: the higher the spiritual authority
that you walk in, the further you can fall if you are without love and humility."
TOWARDS THE JUDGMENT SEAT AND THRONE
Joyner reports in 114 (5) and 115 (1) "As I continued toward the judgment seat
I began to pass those who were of higher rank in the kingdom. After many
more veils had been stripped away from me by meetings with those who had
stumbled over the same problems that I had, I began to meet some who had
overcome. I met couples who had served Yah {the Lord} and each other
faithfully to the end. Their glory was unspeakable, and their victory
encouraged me that it was possible to stay on the path of life, and to
serve Him in faithfulness. Those who stumbled, stumbled in many different
ways. Those who prevailed all did it the same way -- they did not deviate
from their devotion to the first and greatest commandment -- loving the
Almighty {the Lord}. By this their service was done unto Him, not to men,
not even for spiritual men."...
115 (2) "When I was still not even halfway to the throne, what had been the
undescribable glory of the first rank now seemed to be the outer darkness in
comparison to the glory of those I was now passing. The greatest beauty on
earth would not qualify to be found anywhere in heaven. And I was told that this
room was just the threshold of realms indescribable!"
Truly this is a treasure that is worth seeking to obtain. A treasure that
warrants a sacrifice of obedience and love in this life.
The following passage indicates that there are even various levels of throne.
116 (1) "As I approached the Judgment Seat of the anointing of Yah {Christ},
those in the highest ranks were also sitting on thrones that were all a part of His
throne. Even the least of these thrones was more glorious than any earthly
throne many times over. Some of these were rulers over cities on earth who
would soon take their places. Others were rulers over the affairs of heaven, and
others over the affairs of the physical creation, such as star systems and
galaxies. However, it was apparent that those who were given authority over
cities were esteemed above those who had even been given authority over
galaxies. The value of a single child surpassed that of a galaxy of stars, because
the Holy Spirit dwelt in men, and Yah the eternally self existing {the Lord} had
chosen men as His eternal dwelling place. In the presence of His glory the whole
earth seemed as insignificant as a speck of dust; and yet it was so infinitely
esteemed that the attention of the whole creation was upon it."
This passage indicates that the majority of people who have so far qualified to
sit on high thrones for eternity do not conform to human perspectives of who
would qualify.
In 117 (2) it is stated that it was both "awesome" and "relieving" to stand before
the Judgment Seat and that in the vision Joyner had "passed the point where I
was concerned if the judgment was going to be good or bad; I just knew it would
be right, and that I could trust my Judge."
This speaks to us in this life as well -- are we willing to trust the Almighty to
judge us in this life?
117 (3) "At one point Yahooshua {the Lord} looked toward the galleries of
thrones around Him. Many were occupied, but many were empty. He then said,
'These thrones are for the overcomers who have served Me faithfully in every
generation. My Father and I prepared them before the foundation of the world.
Are you worthy to sit on one of these?'"
Joyner reports in 117 (4) that "I looked at the thrones. I looked at those who
were now seated. I could recognize some of the great heroes of the faith, but
most of those seated I knew had not even been well known on earth. Many I
knew had been missionaries who had expended their lives in obscurity. They
had never cared to be remembered on earth, but wanted only to be remembered
by Him. I was a bit surprised to see some who had been wealthy, or rulers who
had been faithful with what they had been given. However, it seemed that
faithful, praying women and mothers occupied more thrones than any other
single group."
Again, we see a high proportion of women. Specifically on thrones.
This is an important revelation. There is a widely held belief that the doctrine
of women submitting to their husbands in some way makes them second rate
citizens or is oppressive. And, there have certainly been many men who have
applied these doctrines oppressively and unjustly. However, this does not alter
the basis on which a woman will be judged -- did she submit to her husband in
everything?
Here we see that, in fact, a substantial proportion of those on thrones are
women. This clearly nullifies beliefs that women are second rate citizens.
Taken together with Isaiah 4:1, cited previously, this can also be taken
as an indication that the Almighty intends for there to be more women on
thrones even after the final judgment.
It seems important that women understand this and that they do not sacrifice an
opportunity to sit on a throne or enter Heaven by getting into "women's
liberation", rebellion and other prevalent modern sin.
This and other passages also suggests to me that a man needs the support of
one or more wives who will underpin him and support him spiritually, particularly
through intercession, and assist him to serve the Almighty faithfully.
There is much that is not understood about these concepts in the present age
and much that is taught and practised that is in opposition to them.
In response to Yahooshua's question to Joyner in 117 (3) as to whether he
(Joyner) was worthy to sit on a throne, Joyner acknowledges in 118 (1) that
"There was no way that I could answer 'yes' to Yahooshua's {the Lord's}
question".
This is surely the only answer that any human being can give.
In 118 (2) Yahooshua asks Joyner "But do you want this seat?"
DO YOU WANT TO SIT ON A THRONE WITH Yahooshua FOR ETERNITY?
This is the essential question of this whole document, do YOU want to sit
on a throne with Yahooshua for eternity?
This is a question worth pondering.
By now, you have some idea of what the price is to sit on such a throne, some
idea of the sacrifices, the adjustments, the probability of pain and loss in this life,
the probability of a major adjustment in your life.
Do YOU want such a seat?
There is no obligation to say "yes".
And i suggest that it is NOT prudent to say "yes" UNLESS you have REALLY
thought this through and prayed about it.
If you are not REALLY willing to pay the price, rather don't say "yes", rather be
silent and let this moment pass -- it will be better to do that than to say "yes"
now and then find that you are not willing to see it through. In such a case the
judgment will be harsher in the end.
Rather wait a while and make a QUALITY decision, a decision that you will not
compromise on later.
Get in touch with what you REALLY want in life -- nice cars, nice house,
approval of your family and peers, etc OR "well done thou good and
faithful servant, come up here" on the Day of Judgment.
I am convinced that if anyone REALLY grasps the magnitude of what is being
offered, they will say "YES".
What about you?
The following extract from "The Final Quest" gives some indication of what the
Almighty might say to you IF you say "yes".
In 118 (3) Joyner replies "I do with all of my heart,".
In 118 (4) Joyner reports "Yahooshua {The Lord} then looked at the galleries and
said, 'Those empty seats could have been filled in any generation. I gave the
invitation to sit here to everyone who has called upon My name. They are still
available. Now the last battle has come, and many who are last shall be first.
These seats will be filled before the battle is over: Those who will sit here will
be known by two things: they will wear the mantle of humility, and they
will have My likeness. You now have the mantle. If you can keep it and do not
lose it in the battle, when you return you will also have My likeness. Then you will
be worthy to sit with these, because I will have made you worthy. All authority
and power has been given to Me, and I alone can wield it. You will prevail, and
you will be trusted with My authority only when you have come to fully abide in
Me. Now turn and look at My household.'"
118 (5) "I turned and looked back in the direction I had come from. From before
His throne I could see the entire room. The spectacle was beyond any comparison
in its glory; millions filled the ranks. Each individual in the lowest rank was more
119 (1) awesome than an army, and had more power. It was far beyond my
capacity to absorb such a panorama of glory. Even so, I could see that only a
very small portion of the great room was occupied."
THE CUP -- NINETY NINE OUT OF A HUNDRED ARE LOST -- WILL YOU
SEEK TO LOVE AND SAVE THE LOST?
119 (2) "I then looked back at Yahooshua {the Lord} and was astonished to see
tears in His eyes. He had wiped the tears away from every eye here, except His
own. As a tear ran down His cheek he caught it in His hand. He then offered it to
me."
119 (3) "'This is My cup. Will you drink it with Me?'"
It seems to me that this is the same question that will be asked of EVERY
PERSON who seeks to sit on a throne for eternity.
119 (4) "There was no way that I could refuse Him. As Yahooshua {the Lord}
continued to look at Me I began to feel His great love. Even as foul as I was He
still loved me. As undeserving as I was He wanted me to be close to Him. Then
He said:"
119 (5) "'I love all of these with a love that you cannot now understand. I also
love all who are supposed to be here but did not come. I have left the
ninety-nine to go after the one who was lost. My shepherds would not
leave the one to go after the ninety-nine who are still lost. I came to save
the lost. Will you share My heart to go to save the lost? Will
you help to fill this room? Will you help to fill these thrones,
and every other seat in this hall? Will you take up this quest
to bring joy to heaven, to Me and to My Father? This judgment is
for My own household, and My own house is not full. The last battle will not be
over until My house is full. Only then will it be time for us to redeem the earth,
and remove the evil from My creation. If you drink My cup you will love the lost
the way that I love them.'"
Ninety nine percent of all those who should have been in heaven at that time
were NOT!
This is a TERRIBLE statistic.
As mentioned above in the current age the situation for the current generation
is worse.
On 17 January 2002, the writer was told by the Almighty that IF the world was
to be judged at that moment, only thirty million (30,000,000) people of the
entire world population on earth at that moment would qualify to enter heaven.
On Passover 2004 (6 April), the writer was told that this number had reduced to
three million (3,000,000).
Right now, can YOU say with total conviction, based on a deep personal
relationship with the Almighty, that you have done enough in your life to qualify
for heaven and enough NOT to qualify for hell?
Can you TRULY say that your doctrine is sufficiently accurate that you will not be
found a liar and a heretic on the Day of Judgment?
Can you TRULY say that you have held lengthy PERSONAL conversations with the
Almighty to a point where you are confident that you know His will in your life?
Or that, in some other way, you ARE confident that you ARE on the straight way
headed for the narrow gate?
Are you CERTAIN?
Or do you want to take a chance?
OR
Is this a time to re-examine your life and take a LONG HARD LOOK at what you
have done in your life to date AND what you think your life currently is set to
look like if you continue doing what you are doing?
Is this a TIME FOR CHANGE?
DRASTIC CHANGE?
Please consider this prayerfully and carefully and then read on!
In 119 (6) and 120 (1) Joyner describes how Yahooshua placed the tear in a
plain cup and gave it to him (Joyner) to drink. Joyner describes how he erupted
into tears, crying for the lost, and for Yahooshua and the Almighty.
In 120 (2) Joyner describes how he was then filled with the peace of Yah.
Philippians 4:7 "And the peace of Yah {God}, which passeth all understanding,
shall keep your hearts and minds through the anointing which was upon
Yahooshua {Christ Jesus}." (KJV, adjusted)
After this Joyner experienced the glory of the Almighty and was filled with the
urge to preach, to worship and to breath every breath for the good news of the
Kingdom of the Almighty.
THE THRONE OF GRACE
In 120 (3) Joyner realises that the Throne of Judgment is ALSO the Throne of
Grace and requests grace to serve the Almighty, for grace to finish his course.
He asks for grace to love the Almighty the way he is experiencing in the vision
so that he can be delivered from delusions and self-centeredness. He asks for
salvation from himself and the evil of his own heart. He asks for the love he
feels at that moment to flow continually in his heart. He asks for the heart of the
Almighty and His love. He asks for the grace of the Holy Spirit to convict him of
his own sin and to testify of the Almighty and of Yahooshua as they really are.
For grace to testify of that which is prepared for those who come to the Almighty.
For grace to preach the reality of the judgment. For grace to share with those
who are called to occupy the empty thrones and to give them words of life to
keep them on the path of life. Words that will impart to them the faith to do
what they have been called to do.
In 121 (3) Yahooshua states that we must be constantly conscious of both the
kindness and the severity of the Almighty and that we must remember both if we
are to stay on the path of life and not fall into deception. Yahooshua indicates
that it IS grace to know both of these and that all the experiences that Joyner
has been given in the visions is grace directed at this objective.
It therefore seems imperative to consciously seek to know both the love and the
judgments of the Almighty in our lives, continuously.
THE LAST BATTLE
In 122 (3) it is stated that Yahooshua is now waiting for his enemies to be put
under his feet, that is made his footstool. Refer Hebrews 10:12-13 "12 But this
man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right
hand of Yah {God}; 13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made
his footstool." (KJV)
It is also stated that the legions of messengers {angels} that have been on
standby for this time have been released and that the "hordes of hell have also
been released".
It is stated that what is now unfolding on earth is "the last battle".
So, in considering what has been presented thus far, it is perhaps useful to
consider that the spiritual dispensation in which we now find ourselves is VERY
different to that which prevailed until a decade or so ago.
Are YOU willing to accept the challenge?
THE OVERCOMERS
The next section of "The Final Quest" is titled "The Overcomers" and it reports
Joyners experience in the vision after he leaves the Judgment Seat and meets
with some who are sitting on thrones.
On pages 124 and 125 Joyner reports a form of communication in heaven that
transcends words. It is something that in earthly terms might be called
"telepathy" but the way he describes it is much more profound.
In 125 (3) it is suggested that this level of communication was lost after the
Tower of Babel in Genesis 11:9 "Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because
Yah the eternally self existing {the LORD} did there confound the language of all
the earth: and from thence did Yah the eternally self existing {the LORD} scatter
them abroad upon the face of all the earth." (KJV, adjusted)
It is stated that we can only experience such communication when we are freed
in the presence of the Almighty.
In 125 (4) Joyner indicates that "when Adam's transgression caused him to
hide from the Almighty {God}, it was the beginning of a most terrible
distortion of what man was created to be, as well as a severe reduction
of his intellectual and spiritual capacities. These could only be restored
when we come out of 'hiding,' 126 (1) opening ourselves to the Almighty {God}
and to each other, becoming genuinely transparent. It is as we behold the glory
of the Almighty {the Lord} with an 'unveiled face' that we are changed into His
image. The veils are causing our hiding."
The statement about the reduction in the capabilities of mankind that resulted
from Adam's transgression is a really important aspect of understanding our
current situation.
Many believers, at some level, seem to believe that the present generation is the
most advanced generation technologically and spiritually that has ever walked
the earth. The reality, which is not within the scope of this article, but which is
alluded to in the above quote, is that mankind has degenerated MASSIVELY
spiritually from the time of Adam. In fact, mankind's recent technological
"advances" are only a limited recovery of the technology that was in existence
at the time of Noah, as evidenced by the books "Dead Men's Secrets" and "The
Killing of Paradise Planet", both by Jonathan Gray, available at
www.archaeologyanswers.com
It is only when one can grasp just how far the present generation has fallen from
knowledge of the Almighty and knowledge of His ways that one can really begin
to see how big a challenge it is today to qualify to enter heaven AT ALL and
particularly to qualify to sit on a throne for eternity.
In 126 (2) Joyner states "When the Almighty {the Lord} asked Adam where he
was after the transgression, it was His very first question to man [after the fall]
and it is the first one that we must answer if we are to be fully restored to Him.
Of course, the Almighty {the Lord} knew where Adam was. The question was for
Adam's sake. That question was the beginning of the Almighty's {God's} quest
for man. The story of redemption is the Almighty's {God's} pursuit of man,
not man's pursuit of the Almighty {God}. When we can fully answer this
question, knowing were we are in relation to the Almighty {God}, we will have
been fully restored to Him. We can only know the answer when we are in His
presence."
126 (3) "That was the essence of my [Joyner's] entire judgment seat experience.
The Almighty {the Lord} already knew all that there was to know about
me. It was all for my sake, so that I would know where I was. It was all to bring
me out of hiding, to bring me out of darkness into light."
It is really so important that we recognise that the Almighty DOES know all that
there is to know about us. He knows about our secret sins, our desires, our
dreams, our lusts, our fears, our ... He knows about the painful experiences that
have created emotional scars, beliefs, automatic reactions, etc.
When he brings people together in partnership in marriage, in ministry, in
business, He knows everything about them. He is NOT surprised by their quirks
and their habitual sins.
Yet, so frequently, when believers are convinced the Almighty has brought them
together, in marriage, ministry, business, etc, the moment one of them discovers
something about the other that they do not approve of or like, they reject them
and break the partnership. They lose sight of the fact that the Almighty is NOT
surprised.
In 126 (4) Joyner states that the Almighty is seeking to be one with His people,
He wants us to see things "in union with Him".
In 127 (1) it is stated that the "darkness in the world was perpetuated by the
compulsion to hide that began after the fall. 'Walking in the light' is more than
just knowing and obeying certain truths -- it is being true and it is being free
from the compulsion to hide."
It seems to me that this is a big part of this message.
Are YOU willing to make a decision to really seek the Almighty rather
than hiding from Him. Are you willing to accept that He knows
EVERYTHING about you and yet He STILL loves you and wants to heal you
and draw you close to Him. And He wants to offer you an opportunity to
sit with Yahooshua on a throne for eternity!
It is a WONDERFUL OFFER, if you can accept it!
But, it requires YOUR FREEWILL CHOICE!
In 127 (2) Joyner stresses that part of being free from hiding is that we are also
transparent with others.
There is much more in the remaining pages of "The Final Quest". If this message
has made an impact on you, please make every effort to read the remainder of
the book and then read the whole book. There is much that is contained therein
that is not contained in this message.
DECLARATION
I, James Robertson, do hereby declare that i have prayed about this document
and it's contents. I declare that the Almighty has stated to me that this message
is 94% as He would have it.
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