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Subject: Fw: [remnantsounds] Who Sits in Moses Seat? (Part 2 of 2)
Date: 15 November 2000 07:56


Subject: [remnantsounds] Who Sits in Moses Seat? (Part 2 of 2)


>             View of Rabbi Moshe Joseph Koniuchowsky
> 
>  MOSES SEAT = WRITTEN TORAH and THE TEACHINGS OF MESSIAH
> 
>                                    (Part 2 of 2)
> 
> 
> 
> MOSES SEAT AND MESSIANIC ISRAEL
> 
> BY RABBI MOSHE JOSEPH KONIUCHOWSKY
> GIVEN LIVE AT AMI 2000
> ORLANDO, FLORIDA
> 
> (Part 2 of 2)
> 
> 
> A CHAPTER OF CONTRASTS
> 
> So we see that the contrast and warnings of the Messiah are not given
> in anger or bitterness but are warnings of concern for His talmidim,
> to beware and stay clear of the things that they claim Moses did and
> taught but in reality never did. Moses did not travel land and sea
> trying to make one proselyte and then go ahead and turn him into a two
> fold child of Gehenna as they originally were. Moses did not do that.
> They did! We find King Yahshua's midrash in verses 3-39, with clear
> cogent reasoning as to just why the disciples (talmidim) were not to
> blindly obey the Seat of Moses. The perceived occupants of Moses Seat
> of yesteryear, or rabbinical Jews who claim that seat today, must not
> be allowed to influence the two-house meaasge. As for me and my house
> we will take our marching orders from Yahshua. We will receive our
> instructions from Yahshua. We don't need any rabbi in the natural to
> affirm what Yahweh is doing through us because even if the Seat of
> Moses then was walking in Torah, we are called to get our necessary
> "atta-boys" from the Ruach HaKodesh and Him alone. It is not the
> talkers of Moses that we are to emulate but the only One who in the
> face of the forces of hell itself, talked and walked perfect Torah
> faith and obedience. He is the Holy One and there is not any other
> holy second.
> 
> Look at what else they do in verse 5. They make their tzitzit
> (fringes) long and say: "look, do you see how holy I am and look I
> even have a little tinge of blur cord on my big tzitzit." Moses did
> not do that. He said you should wear tzitzitt to avoid fornication and
> whoring as a private personal devotion to the Father. Keep them as a
> private devotion to Yahweh. Moses did not make the longest tztzit but
> made them as a private devotion to his Father. Looking back to verse 3
> of Matthew 23, we see that it's impossible for it to mean "its ok to
> obey them anyway." It's not OK to obey those who are blind in their
> walk with the Father. That is not anti-Semitic, that is a fact that we
> need to consider before choosing those kinds of hypocrites as our
> trusted leaders. King Yahshua loves us, guards us, protects us and has
> our best interests at heart. If he spent 39 verses warning us, why
> would He negate that with one verse and thereby send us to the wolves?
> 
> We must not do mitzvoth for public consumption. We must not seek
> approval, love and honor from men rather we must love Yahshua with all
> our minds, souls, hearts and strength. If He bestows honor upon us, so
> be it. Lechaim, to life! Humble yourself under the mighty hand of
> Yahweh and He will exalt you in due season. They chased honor. We must
> not do that and should only chase His honor, which only He can bestow.
> There's that contrast again. We are not to lust after and seek titles.
> If titles come take them. It's like a tax refund. Take it. Then make a
> deposit. But don't seek after it.
> 
> The Pharisees shut up the kingdom of heaven against men not allowing
> the am haaretz or the so-called "common uneducated people of Israel"
> to enter the Kingdom of Yahweh. Somehow they had to receive a Yeshiva
> degree or ordination to be considered a real Jew or Israelite! This
> Moses did not do. He did not divide Israel into a caste system. What
> about the repentant tax collector or whore? Don't they have a place at
> Messiah's table? Those are the very ones that the Seat of Moses
> prevented from coming in for healing, deliverance and restoration.
> These am haaretz had become the undesirables, with no one reaching
> them. That's not Moses, that's mans bigotry and prejeduce. Torah tells
> us to leave some food for the stranger when we glean our fields.
> Loving the am haretz and those who cannot repay you, that is Torah
> (Moses). In Matthew 23:verse 15 Yahshua says, "You devour widows
> houses and for pretence make long prayers." You invoke prayers to get
> money. Nothing's changed. Go to an orthodox Jewish cemetery today and
> the orthodox Jews will take you to the grave and davin (pray) with you
> if you give them $20. The self proclaimed modern Seat of Moses and
> their hypocrites are doing exactly today what it did 2000 years ago.
> They wait for a widow to pay them to say kaddish (mourners prayers).
> Nothing has changed. Our Master and King is so separate from sinners
> by being completely undefiled as scripture reminds us that "even His
> eyes are purer than to behold iniquity." His eyes are so pure He
> cannot look at iniquity. Don't try to tell me that He is going to send
> us to this antiquated seat of corruption and decay because after all
> they possess authority over believers. I reject that! I reject that
> completely and so should you!
> 
> When they do and teach Torah that's one thing. When they don't we must
> depart and not subject ourselves to that. I am telling you brethren;
> that is one reason why the Messianic Jewish movement is splintering at
> the core. That is because the days of longing for the throne of Abba
> has been replaced with seeking the acceptance of mere flesh and blood,
> including the Babylonian church system. The Bible says, "Cursed is the
> man that does trust in the arm of flesh, blessed is the man who's
> Elohim is Yahweh." Messianic Jewish leadership has determined to be
> recognized as a fourth branch of Judaism. Read my lips: We don't want
> that recognition. We are the prophetic two houses of Israel coming
> together with one hope (The Hope Of Messianic Israel), one faith, one
> mikvah, one Father of all above all and in you all.
> 
> Jump down to Matt 23:23.The Seat of Moses in King Yahshua's day did
> tithe. They were tithers but neglected mercy and compassion. King
> Yahshua said that they ought to have shown mercy and compassion before
> paying their tithes. Moses showed compassion all the while paying his
> tithes. In Matthew 23 verses 28-32 Yahshua called those who occupy
> Moses seat murderers! (I am not anti-Semitic, so please don't come to
> me later with that accusation. I'm Jewish) I am only teaching you what
> the word says. Look at Matt. 23:32. Yahshua says, "Woe to you Scribes
> for you build the tombs of the prophets and you decorate the monuments
> of the righteous." Yahshua meant that after they killed their
> prophets, that they would posthumously honor them by painting and
> decorating their graves. In Matthew 23 verse 30 Yahshua said: "But you
> say ahh, if we had lived in those days of our fathers we would not
> have done so." The plotters and murderers and co-conspirators of
> Israel's prophets are Israelites specifically those who seated
> themselves in the Seat of Moses in Yahshua's day and among the
> misinformed still today.
> 
> Be honest. Lets forget theology, lets forget the workshop. Let's be
> honest. If Yahshua was instructing you and I to follow those He called
> murderers we're in trouble. We're in some serious trouble. Amein! I
> mean if I told you now here's what I want you to do. This is how I
> want you to walk with Yahshua. I want you to get in touch with Charles
> Manson and whatever he tells you to do. Do! Does that make any sense?
> Then neither do the traditional interpretations derived from the
> Greek. In the Hebrew Shem Tov we don't have that problem. In the
> Hebrew Matt 23:3 is a warning to obey Moses and not his "corrupted"
> seat, since often the two do not agree.
> 
> MUST WE SUBMIT?
> 
> That's why this is so important. If we do not deal with the fact that
> the Seat of Moses is still occupied by those who claim to represent
> Moses and yet deny the Son of Yahweh and if we don't decide right here
> and now how we are to rightly relate to it and if we fall into the
> errors of the previous messianic movements, then I give the Messianic
> Israel Alliance less than five years of survival. That's how serious
> this topic is! If we relate wrongly to it we will wind up chasing the
> seat and the mind of man emanating from that seat rather than the mind
> of Messiah (First Cor. 2:16). Where would we go next? Do we seek the
> Vatican's approval? Do we go to Islamabad? Where would we go next to
> chase man's approval? King Yahshua goes out of His way in 39 verses to
> plead and admonish us to guard ourselves against those who talk Moses
> but don't do Moses. You have 39 verses of these warnings thus allowing
> no way for verse 3 alone to possibly mean that we should follow them
> in their errors "anyway!"
> 
> You may counter by saying but don't we (according to scripture) have
> to obey human rulers over our lives? Yes. You may counter by saying
> does not scripture teach us to obey every human ruler power and
> principality over our lives since they are put their by Yahweh
> Himself? Yes. BUT NOT WHEN THEY TEACH US TO KILL THE UNBORN! NOT WHEN
> THEY TEACH US TO KILL OUR ELDERLY PARENTS WHO TOOK CARE OF US IN OUR
> YOUTH. WE DO NOT HAVE TO OBEY THE GOVERNMENT! WHEN AND IF THE US
> GOVERNMENT WERE TO TEACH US HOW TO MAKE OUR NATION JUDENREIN OR
> CLEANSED OF JEWS BY ENCOURAGING ANOTHER HOLOCAUST, I AM NOT GOING TO
> OBEY THAT! Don't you come to me and tell me about those scriptures
> where it demands that we as believers submit to human government as
> unto Yahweh Himself! When they tell me terrible orders, like how to
> kill Jewish people, I don't have to submit to that!
> 
> Brothers and sisters I will be frank with you. For years I have been
> reading Matthew 23 trying to gain understanding as to how verse 3 fits
> in with the other 39 verses. Amid all those warnings and admonitions
> unto watchfulness, I would often wonder as to just how did verse 3
> find its way into the text. It always bothered me. If we take things
> as they appear to be at face value from the Greek translation in verse
> 3, it sounds like King Yahshua in using the term whatever, allows for
> His talmidim to obey anything emanating from the Seat of Moses whether
> it be truth or error. That term "whatsoever" is an all-encompassing
> inclusive term. Those of you coming out of Messianic Jewish circles;
> how many times have you been told that? You've been told that
> whatsoever they tell you, whether you agree with it or not, or whether
> Yahweh agrees with it is irrelevant! You must obey! When you and I
> heard this kind of wrong reasoning we immediately started questioning
> if in fact we should practice some of the unbiblical and extra
> biblical things they told us, even though there was no biblical
> justification. But Baruch Hashem Yahweh in the Hebrew Matthew all this
> confusion about the alleged "whatsoever they tell you to do"
> mistranslation is finally straightened out. That is why Hebrew was is
> and always will be the lashon kodesh. The Set -Apart pure tongue that
> will be used in the millenium when Yahshua reigns is Hebrew (Zeph.
> 3:9).
> 
> A DESOLATE HOUSE AND SEAT
> 
> Look carefully at verses 38-39 of Matthew 23. In verse 38 King Yahshua
> prophetically tells us that the House of prayer for all Israel,
> specifically the Temple where the Sanhedrin or Seat of Moses sat, will
> be left desolate or laid waste as of 70CE. Now how can we follow the
> judgments of the house where the Seat of Moses sat in judgment over
> Israel, when that very structure and that very seat are desolate? The
> house, which they preside over, will be no more as of 70CE. That's
> what the text teaches. [In order for Moses Seat to function
> biblically, the Temple on Mt. Moriah must stand, since that is where
> they historically met. Even the historical move of the Seat of Moses
> to Galilee after 70CE described by Josephus Flavious, was considered
> non-kosher by the Talmud and the Seat of Moses themselves. They
> realized that even though man had moved it, Yahweh had not sanctioned
> the move!]
> 
> Since King Yahshua was addressing the Pharisees in context, He is
> prophesying judgment against THEIR HOUSE AND THEIR SEAT WHICH THE
> HOUSE CONTAINED!! If their house is desolate then their seat of power
> in that house must also be desolate and you and I cannot follow an
> invisible Sanhedrin, meeting in an invisible temple, since the only
> one you and I are called to follow since 70CE is the seat of the Lamb
> slain from the foundation of the world. That is the only invisible
> seat or throne we are to follow.
> 
> A SEAT OF MOSES SPECIAL
> 
> In Matthew 23 verse 39 Yahshua says: "For I say to you that you shall
> not see me again, until you learn to say cry BARUCH HABAH BESHEM
> YAHWEH!" You know what King Yahshua was truly saying to the about to
> be desolate Seat of Moses? What grievous sin and violation of the
> Torah did those who sat in the Seat of Moses commit? What significant
> action have they taken that until this day affects both the Jewish and
> Christian worlds? Yahshua in His verse 39 declaration, is in essence
> rebuking the leaders of Jewish/Israel for calling Yahweh Hashem,
> Adonai and all the substitute titles coming from the Seat of Moses.
> Moses called him Yahweh! They (Moses Seat) called Him Hashem, God,
> Lord, or Adonai in various Hebrew substitutions for Yahweh! (Those
> titles can be used to identify that Yahweh is the Lord, when used in
> conjunction with the personally revealed Name but never as substitute
> titles for the personally revealed Name. FIRST THE JEWISH PEOPLE LEARN
> TO SAY AND CALL ON YAHWEH'S NAME, (come out of the ban) THEN THEY ARE
> REWARDED BY SEEING YAHSHUA!)
> 
> King Yahshua said by virtue of His declaration, that because of the
> violation of bringing Yahweh's Name to naught or disuse, (by putting
> the people of Israel under the ban of pronouncing the true Name known
> in rabbinics as the forbidden banned Name or the shem hamsphorah)
> Israel's leaders would not have the opportunity of seeing and
> receiving Him as King. Yahshua let the talmidim know that since Moses
> Seat put you under the ban of the true memorial redemptive Name of
> Yahweh, they therefore will not see me again as you see me as Messiah.
> My judgment against that practice from the Seat of Moses will come
> upon them, until they learn how to cry blessed is He who comes in the
> Name of Yahweh, thus removing the people of Israel who follow them out
> from under the ban!
> 
> The reason many here still do not understand the significance of the
> usage of the name of Yahweh, or why many here still find the common
> use of the name Yahweh as offensive, is because the Seat of Moses has
> put our people under a suffocating and intimidating ban. Therefore
> many of us conclude that it is blasphemous to use it or irreverent to
> commonly call him Yahweh. That is due to the fact that we have been
> sold this bill of goods "a Seat of Moses special!" What we are doing
> is unknowingly and often times unwittingly submitting ourselves to the
> now defunct and desolate Seat of Moses and their manmade ban. The ban
> on the true name of Yahweh did not come from Sinai but from a desolate
> seat in a desolate house and only those contented to being desolate
> will keep themselves under a ban that Messiah Yahshua has come to
> remove us and set us free from (John 17:6; Exodus 3:14-16)! Yahweh
> gave us His Name as a memorial for ALL GENERATIONS TO PROCLAIM IN ALL
> THE EARTH! Are we part of the all generations of the human experience?
> Yes we are and thus that Name is for you, your children and as many as
> are far off, even as many as Yahweh our Elohim shall call. Therefore
> we are faced with a challenge. Do we love the Seat of Moses more than
> Yahweh? The Seat of Moses has put us under the ban officially known as
> the shem hamsephorah. Do we love Yahweh enough to buck that false
> theology and restore that Name in order to be removed from the bondage
> of manmade rules by the Seat of Moses? Those who stick to the
> substitutes titles of Ha Shem and Lord and so forth, voluntarily have
> chosen to keep themselves and their loved ones under a ban never
> approved of by the Father. (See Let's Not Break The Third Commandment
> on this site for more details on the restoration of Yahweh's true
> Name).
> 
> King Yahshua said that His disciples not only did not belong under the
> ban (you and your house), but that Jewish Israel's center of judgment
> will be left desolate, until (a specific point in time) when you learn
> how to cry BARUCH HABAH BESHEM YAHWEH! Halleluyah. For those stubborn
> to change, you will bow your knee and learn that Name and learn to
> love that name sooner or later, so why not get with the program avoid
> the pain and make it sooner.
> 
> NEW SEAT OF AUTHORITY
> 
> As we conclude brothers and sisters, it is so clear in the Hebrew
> Matthew. So now in the MIA, now in the two house restoration, now in
> the days of Eliyahu, now in the days when the hearts of the fathers
> (Judah) are being turned to the hearts of the children (Ephraim) and
> the hearts of the children (Ephraim) are being turned to the fathers,
> (Judah) we cannot any longer forget the Torah as Moshe received it by
> Yahweh in Horeb. Now in these days, all that has been said to us in
> the five Books of Moses, guard, guard, guard, guard and do! But don't
> do what Moses's defunct and desolate seat does. Truly when we accept
> that mantle and that set apart calling, then will we be the Israel of
> Yahweh, released from the many bans and bondages of the corrupted Seat
> of Moses.
> 
> What should our relationship as Messianic Israel, (the new wine being
> put into new wineskins) be with the already judged Seat of Moses? In
> Matthew 16 we will find our answer. If that former house is desolate,
> there must be some Levites amongst us to sit on Moses Seat. If it's
> not the Scribes and Pharisees, who invented the ban and the shimonei
> esreah curse and other abominable things, then where can we as
> Messianic Israelites returning to Torah find the Seat of Moses? In
> Matt 16:18 King Yahshua says: "I say unto you are Kepha (Peter) and on
> this Rock I will build my assembly and the gates of sheoul shall not
> overcome it. I shall give you the keys of the Kingdom of heaven.
> Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven and whatever you
> loose on earth will be loosed in heaven." The keys were given to Kepha
> and through Kepha to you, you, you and you! Rev 1:6 states that He
> (Messiah) has made us a kingdom of priests and kings. We are the
> priests of the most high! Amongst us there are Levites as well!
> Whatever we bind on earth will be bound in heaven and whatever we
> loose on earth will be loosed in heaven. The Kingdom of Yahweh and the
> Seat of Yahweh's complete New Covenant authority, is in us and upon us
> and in our midst according to Luke 17:21!
> 
> Brothers and sisters! The authority of the Beit Din, the authority to
> bind and loose is not ordering demons around like a drill sergeant.
> That kind of theology where we dispatch and send or retract evil
> spirits is an Ephraimite invention resulting from a misunderstanding
> of the Hebraic culture of our fathers. Binding and loosing is rather
> the permission from Yahweh to His kehela to determine hahlacha, or the
> paths for New Covenant Israel to walk in. That authority entails
> making decisions based on Torah and of a civil nature in Messianic
> Israel. To loose is to allow certain behaviors, to bind is to disallow
> certain behaviors and actions in the community of faith and the
> assembly of the righteous. As Yahshua's talmidim we have the same
> authority as Keepha to allow and disallow actions that affect the
> community of faith. Binding and loosing are Hebraic idioms, not a new
> doctrine of playing strongman with demons.
> 
> You see I rather be bold and risk offending one or two people then to
> have this entire movement fall at the wrong location of the perceived
> perpetual seat of the Pharisees. I would rather be bold than wind up
> where many of our Messianic Jewish brothers have wound up, begging
> unsaved and unregenerate rabbis to grant recognition to Philadelphia
> as the center of the fourth branch of Judaism. No. We are already
> accepted because it is we as Messianic Israel who are already carrying
> out the Father's will of two-house restoration without the
> pre-approval of any man. We have been torn and tattered for far too
> long. So when we come back to Hebraic faith, we must come back
> pursuing righteousness, looking to Abraham and Sarah who bore us and
> not to a seat that has been left desolate.
> 
> PERFECT EXAMPLE
> 
> Mark chapter 7 is a perfect example of yomer (Moses said) versus omrim
> (they the Pharisees say). In Mark 7:7 King Yahshua said: "in vain do
> they worship me teaching as doctrines the commands of men." What did
> the Seat of Moses specialize in? The teachings of men and adding to or
> manipulating Yahweh's original word. In Mark 7: 8 Yahshua says,
> "Forsaking the commands of Elohim, you hold fast to the traditons of
> men." Sometimes to institute traditions of men; you have to get rid of
> the word. That's the danger of submitting to the perceived Seat of
> Moses that supposedly still exists today and supposedly still rules
> over all of Israel. If we submit to the defunct Seat of Moses, we are
> going to have to prepare ourselves to blatantly set aside the word of
> Yahweh in order to install and execute our own traditions, since often
> they oppose one another. They are usually mutually exclusive, even as
> is the mind of the spirit versus the mind of the flesh. This is the
> nefarious nature of the Seat of Moses doctrine. For if we fall into
> the perceived "Seat of Moses is still in existence" trap, we will have
> to be prepared to set aside the whole counsel of Yahweh, to enact the
> traditions of men. I am not willing to do that. I would rather resign
> from this organization before I would have to do that. Fortunately in
> Messianic Israel we are not taught to do that. Mark 7:10 shows us once
> again the contrast between Moses and the Seat of Moses. "For Moshe
> said ..." then in verse 11 Yahshua contrasts that with: "BUT YOU
> SAY...Moses said honor you father and mother. He or she who does not
> honor their father and mother (mot yumat) dying you must die." What
> did the Seat of Moses say about this command? Something else. "BUT YOU
> SAY, if a man says to his father or mother whatever profit you may
> have been profited by me is korban, or a gift or sacrifice to Yahweh,
> you no longer let him perform any mitzvah for his father or his
> mother." So the Seat of Moses had an Oral Torah that a gift intended
> for the parent's sustenance or provision as an act of honor, can be
> negated only if you give it to Yahweh. The Seat of Moses thus taught
> that it is more important to honor Yahweh with another blemished
> korban, than to provide for and honor your parents according to
> commandment number five of the Decalogue! Yahshua rebuked them by
> stating that they have completely negated the command and the mitzvah
> by changing the word.
> 
> Don't tell me that King Yahshua would command born-again talmidim, two
> house New Covenant Israelites, to forsake the teachings of Moses in
> favor of the teachings of the now defunct Seat of Moses that often
> contradicted Moses. Nowhere in scripture are we commanded to subjugate
> ourselves to the desolate Seat of Moses and their past additions to
> Yahweh's word! Mark 7 is a clear insight into this truth. The Seat of
> Moses according to Mark 7:13 has nullified the eternal commands by
> their handed down traditions.
> 
> FINAL CONCERNS
> 
> My concern is that these traditions have been handed down to the
> Messianic Jewish movement of which I am originally a product. These
> traditions of Moses Seat have been handed down to the Messianic Jewish
> movement so that they believe they can approach the modern rabbis (the
> perceived sanctified Seat of Moses) and attain their acceptance. I am
> concerned for them and for us. We as Messianic Israel are not called
> to trust Uncle Charlie the pedophile babysitter if Uncle Charlie is
> not worthy of your trust.
> 
> New wine must be put into new wineskins. I submit to you that one of
> the keys to the survival and perpetuity and longevity and health of
> the Messianic Israel movement is that we declare like Yahweh would
> want us to that "we have no king" or seat of submission but that of
> King Yahshua!!!
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